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Originariamente inviata da ALGRANATI

miz, non ho capito la tua domanda

...neanche io -05

[IVANO]

Originariamente inviata da ALGRANATI

miz, non ho capito la tua domanda

...neanche io -05

[miz]

hemmm in effetti è poco chiaro quando ho riempito d'acqua il reattore ho notato che già funzionava appena il livello raggiungeva i due forellini in basso sul cilindro per il pescaggio d'acqua in uscita. Per eliminare l'aria più velocemente ho tolto uno dei tubicini rossi in testa al reattore ed il livello è salito fino in cima. Ho fatto uscire aria finchè usciva solo acqua. Dopodichè ho rimesso il tubicino rosso e da sotto ho tolto acqua portando così il livello sotto di un cm. circa dal bordo superiore. Mi chiedo se va bene così oppure è meglio lasciare più spazio per lo scambio gassoso e quindi fare scendere di più il livello d'acqua riportandola per intenderci verso i due forellini. Scusate ma è un pò complicata da spiegare.

[miz]

hemmm in effetti è poco chiaro quando ho riempito d'acqua il reattore ho notato che già funzionava appena il livello raggiungeva i due forellini in basso sul cilindro per il pescaggio d'acqua in uscita. Per eliminare l'aria più velocemente ho tolto uno dei tubicini rossi in testa al reattore ed il livello è salito fino in cima. Ho fatto uscire aria finchè usciva solo acqua. Dopodichè ho rimesso il tubicino rosso e da sotto ho tolto acqua portando così il livello sotto di un cm. circa dal bordo superiore. Mi chiedo se va bene così oppure è meglio lasciare più spazio per lo scambio gassoso e quindi fare scendere di più il livello d'acqua riportandola per intenderci verso i due forellini. Scusate ma è un pò complicata da spiegare.

[IVANO]

miz, io sulla parte superiore non ho aria, quindi l'acqua tocca il cilindro superiore, in basso sotto la camera di contatto ho circa 3 mm di aria, dove vedi gorgogliare, prima del passaggio nel setaccio nero

[IVANO]

miz, io sulla parte superiore non ho aria, quindi l'acqua tocca il cilindro superiore, in basso sotto la camera di contatto ho circa 3 mm di aria, dove vedi gorgogliare, prima del passaggio nel setaccio nero

[IVANO]

miz, dovesse servirti questa guida che ho appena trovato su reefcentral è molto utile

The JS1 is running great, after making some small newbie adjustments.

Thanks Ewan for opened this helpful thread and all you guys for feeding it with experiences.

I will like to recapitulate how to set it up and what work (for me LOL) . I would like to say and point than I am using a peristaltic pump, I don’t want to open a debate of what feeding is better.

I would like to make a resume of the most 3 common errors at this point about the setting up the reactor and how to solve them.

-Placing the outlet upper than the head, falling the outflow water in a water slide tubing
-Push the water trough the reactor
-And bleeding the reactor from air

After you get your reactor make a good visual inspection of it, you need to take a good look at the interior of the tubing to be sure nothing is blocking or clogging the pump. Sometimes package material or coral media is in there.

Check the pump from head to toe.

Tide all the screws in the reactor, if you can apply Teflon to each them just to be sure they won´t be putting air in or will be leaking.

Testing the reactor first.
Fill the reactor first with fresh water to test it. Will be easier if you do it not where is going to be place so you can fix any leak if this occurs. Mine came brand new with a small leak in the acrylic in the gas separator chamber, fixed easy with Weldon 16. Good think I test it first.
After you fill it with fresh water put the pump to run, to test its working.

Take a good visual inspection for any leaks,

Remember to rise the outflow 2-5” above the upper chamber this will eliminate any back pressure and will not create a siphon.

Placing the Reactor
Place the reactor as your needs just be sure it won´t create a back siphon if the feeding pump goes off and the feeding pressure is constant, the reactor is not build to work with any back pressure (as been said many times in this thread) even if this is minimal, that is why some of us use Peristaltic lab grade pumps to suministrate a constant power pressure even on small ml/m and control the outflow.

The outflow (outlet tube) is better to place in a PVC tube to work as slide to your sump, the entry to this tube should be place it at least 1-2” above the reactor head. This way the reactor won´t create any siphon or back pressure.

Fill the reactor
Place the fiding line before and NOT after the reactor. The water should be push not pull troughs the reactor.

Bleeding the reactor
This is one of the most important steps in my case: YOU NEED TO BLEED AS MUCH AIR AS YOU CAN FROM THE REACTOR.
When the reactor is full with saltwater you will need to bleed the most air from it. The Reactor is build to trap and recirculate any gas bubble inside the chamber (Co2 or air), if air is inside the reactor it won´t go away itself, will be there trapped producing big bubbles making, this is one of reason to the club soda effect.

-Air will be trapped between the coral media, I smack the media chamber with my hands a little to shake the reactor and make the air to go up.
-Will be trapped in some of the tube lines.
-And the air will be trap un the MIXCHAMBER, which is OK until certain point, I would like to explain this point later on.

You can bleed the reactor taking out the tubing than goes to the injector (the square acrylic piece down to your right), What I did there I put a small valve in that line, that way I can close the valve, unhook the tubing than is coming with the recirculation line and bleed the air trapped there; Closing the valve will let me trap the air in the head of the reactor and will let me bleed the air from one side without letting air going in the reactor again by the injector for the sucking effect of the pump (ventury).

After you drain as much air as you can put the reactor to work for 2-4 hrs. to see if there is no leak.

If no leak is show put your CO2 start injecting. I Use a PinPiont PH controller. Start with 20bpm and rise it little by little until you suit your needs.

If a Club soda Efects start with some big bubbles as the CO2 runs at some point follow this steps:

Your are getting this effect because when you fill the reactor with saltwater some air will be trap in the mix chamber don’t worry is it the way the reactor is design , the main problem is than it should not be any air in there, should be just CO2.

When you open the CO2 and it star to accumulate in that mix chamber, along with the air trapped when you fill it, the CO2 will start to push the air trough the gas diffuser making the air to accumulate between the media and creating bigger bubbles than the CO2, this way will create a club soda effect on the chamber. When the air bubbles reach the head will be suck by the recycling CO2 line and will be passing forever in the reactor because the air is not consumed as the CO2. When you turn off the CO2 the air will accumulate in the mixchamber again as it was at the start. And every time the CO2 is on will make the cycle start and go on forever.

So the the mix chamber could run with gas in there? Yes it can as long as it is CO2 and not air.

How do I drain this air?
1.- I let the reactor to run with the CO2 until it start to make the big bubbles club soda effect.
2.-I turn off the CO2
3.- I close the valve than I place in the middle of the recycling CO2 line, This will make than the AIR/CO2 accumulate at the top inside the gas water separator,
4.- Shake the reactor a bit to let some of the air trapped on the media to goes up. And get as much air in the top as I can.
5.-Then I unhook the line from the valve (from the side than is coming from the head) and let the Air and CO2 to drain little by little. At this point I am very careful to not let the water level inside the reactor to fall down in the little cylinder place inside the gas separation chamber. Because if it falls too much, will put air inside the reactor again.

I repeat the steps 2-3 times until most of the air is drain out.
This way only CO2 will be in the mixchamber when the reactor starts and won´t be producing the big air bubbles, only fine CO2 bubbles. You may have some bubbles once in a while, but nothing to worry about.

I won’t talk about the how many outflow or BPM I’m not expert and every tank has different needs. I just want to share my experience on the set up the JS1 and put my 2 cents to this helpful thread.

Mr. Shuran should read it and include it in his manual, his manual translation really sucks!!!

Thank you all. And forgive my English.
Aaron

[IVANO]

miz, dovesse servirti questa guida che ho appena trovato su reefcentral è molto utile

The JS1 is running great, after making some small newbie adjustments.

Thanks Ewan for opened this helpful thread and all you guys for feeding it with experiences.

I will like to recapitulate how to set it up and what work (for me LOL) . I would like to say and point than I am using a peristaltic pump, I don’t want to open a debate of what feeding is better.

I would like to make a resume of the most 3 common errors at this point about the setting up the reactor and how to solve them.

-Placing the outlet upper than the head, falling the outflow water in a water slide tubing
-Push the water trough the reactor
-And bleeding the reactor from air

After you get your reactor make a good visual inspection of it, you need to take a good look at the interior of the tubing to be sure nothing is blocking or clogging the pump. Sometimes package material or coral media is in there.

Check the pump from head to toe.

Tide all the screws in the reactor, if you can apply Teflon to each them just to be sure they won´t be putting air in or will be leaking.

Testing the reactor first.
Fill the reactor first with fresh water to test it. Will be easier if you do it not where is going to be place so you can fix any leak if this occurs. Mine came brand new with a small leak in the acrylic in the gas separator chamber, fixed easy with Weldon 16. Good think I test it first.
After you fill it with fresh water put the pump to run, to test its working.

Take a good visual inspection for any leaks,

Remember to rise the outflow 2-5” above the upper chamber this will eliminate any back pressure and will not create a siphon.

Placing the Reactor
Place the reactor as your needs just be sure it won´t create a back siphon if the feeding pump goes off and the feeding pressure is constant, the reactor is not build to work with any back pressure (as been said many times in this thread) even if this is minimal, that is why some of us use Peristaltic lab grade pumps to suministrate a constant power pressure even on small ml/m and control the outflow.

The outflow (outlet tube) is better to place in a PVC tube to work as slide to your sump, the entry to this tube should be place it at least 1-2” above the reactor head. This way the reactor won´t create any siphon or back pressure.

Fill the reactor
Place the fiding line before and NOT after the reactor. The water should be push not pull troughs the reactor.

Bleeding the reactor
This is one of the most important steps in my case: YOU NEED TO BLEED AS MUCH AIR AS YOU CAN FROM THE REACTOR.
When the reactor is full with saltwater you will need to bleed the most air from it. The Reactor is build to trap and recirculate any gas bubble inside the chamber (Co2 or air), if air is inside the reactor it won´t go away itself, will be there trapped producing big bubbles making, this is one of reason to the club soda effect.

-Air will be trapped between the coral media, I smack the media chamber with my hands a little to shake the reactor and make the air to go up.
-Will be trapped in some of the tube lines.
-And the air will be trap un the MIXCHAMBER, which is OK until certain point, I would like to explain this point later on.

You can bleed the reactor taking out the tubing than goes to the injector (the square acrylic piece down to your right), What I did there I put a small valve in that line, that way I can close the valve, unhook the tubing than is coming with the recirculation line and bleed the air trapped there; Closing the valve will let me trap the air in the head of the reactor and will let me bleed the air from one side without letting air going in the reactor again by the injector for the sucking effect of the pump (ventury).

After you drain as much air as you can put the reactor to work for 2-4 hrs. to see if there is no leak.

If no leak is show put your CO2 start injecting. I Use a PinPiont PH controller. Start with 20bpm and rise it little by little until you suit your needs.

If a Club soda Efects start with some big bubbles as the CO2 runs at some point follow this steps:

Your are getting this effect because when you fill the reactor with saltwater some air will be trap in the mix chamber don’t worry is it the way the reactor is design , the main problem is than it should not be any air in there, should be just CO2.

When you open the CO2 and it star to accumulate in that mix chamber, along with the air trapped when you fill it, the CO2 will start to push the air trough the gas diffuser making the air to accumulate between the media and creating bigger bubbles than the CO2, this way will create a club soda effect on the chamber. When the air bubbles reach the head will be suck by the recycling CO2 line and will be passing forever in the reactor because the air is not consumed as the CO2. When you turn off the CO2 the air will accumulate in the mixchamber again as it was at the start. And every time the CO2 is on will make the cycle start and go on forever.

So the the mix chamber could run with gas in there? Yes it can as long as it is CO2 and not air.

How do I drain this air?
1.- I let the reactor to run with the CO2 until it start to make the big bubbles club soda effect.
2.-I turn off the CO2
3.- I close the valve than I place in the middle of the recycling CO2 line, This will make than the AIR/CO2 accumulate at the top inside the gas water separator,
4.- Shake the reactor a bit to let some of the air trapped on the media to goes up. And get as much air in the top as I can.
5.-Then I unhook the line from the valve (from the side than is coming from the head) and let the Air and CO2 to drain little by little. At this point I am very careful to not let the water level inside the reactor to fall down in the little cylinder place inside the gas separation chamber. Because if it falls too much, will put air inside the reactor again.

I repeat the steps 2-3 times until most of the air is drain out.
This way only CO2 will be in the mixchamber when the reactor starts and won´t be producing the big air bubbles, only fine CO2 bubbles. You may have some bubbles once in a while, but nothing to worry about.

I won’t talk about the how many outflow or BPM I’m not expert and every tank has different needs. I just want to share my experience on the set up the JS1 and put my 2 cents to this helpful thread.

Mr. Shuran should read it and include it in his manual, his manual translation really sucks!!!

Thank you all. And forgive my English.
Aaron

[ALGRANATI]

ma aria in testa al cilindro non deve esserci

[ALGRANATI]

ma aria in testa al cilindro non deve esserci