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i would like to know how you can select this form and color if is possibile

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thanks for the attention pinoy angelfish,
In this way do you have joined different kind of scalaris to obtain this line ?
and how do you obtein this particular color?

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Majority of tropical fish produced for the aquarium trade are selectively bred, manipulated by man.

I do NOT like them, period!!! I DO prefer "wild forms" (including Angel fishes and levebearer) and - everywhere and anywhere - I do my best (I REALLY DO) to voud this fish are traded, sold, kept in tanks.

A.K.A.: non mi piacciono, preferisco le "forme selvatiche" (inclusi scalari e pecilidi) e faccio del mio (del mio VERO) meglio per evitare che simili pesci (manipolati) siano commercializzati, venduti, allevati!!!

[pinoy angelfish]

some people inbreed wild fish F2 F3 F4 F5... inbreeding wild fish animals is not the way of nature. In nature, only a small percentage of spawns survive and likely the sibling survivors will not become mates. International zoos avoid inbreeding their wild animals to maintain their genetic diversity.

Wild fish that have been inbred only look wild.

alcuni animali selvaggi dei pesci dei pesci inbreed la gente F2 di accoppiamento selvaggio del F3 F4 F5… non è il senso della natura. In natura, soltanto una piccola percentuale delle uova sopravvive a e probabilmente i superstiti del fratello germano non diventeranno compagni. I giardini zoologici internazionali evitano l'accoppiamento i loro animali selvatici per effettuare la loro diversità genetica.

Pesci selvaggi che sono stati soltanto sembrare innato selvaggio.

[pinoy angelfish]

Dear Tuko,

If you and other fellow members / moderators are strongly opposed to breeding man made aquarium fish then perhaps you should file a petition to the owners of this forum to remove the Goldfish forum, Poecili forum, Discus forum and Betta forum. Or modify them to only accept wild forms. Most of the fish in these forums are man made. Also file a petition to ban posting pictures and discussions of any selectively bred fish in all forums.

I will continue to breed my artificial angelfish because this is the livelihood I know. Please respect this and refrain from further posting your opinion in this thread.

If you meet a prostitute, do you tell her to stop selling herself because it is very wrong in your opinion? I am a little emotional.

I suggest you post your own thread about breeding only natural forms or better maybe put up your own forum www.wildformaquariumfishonly.com.

I am very proud of my Pinoy Angelfish. I named this variety after the Filipino people to bring honor to my country. Just like the Italian Grey Hound, and Bolognese dogs bring pride to Italy.

Sincerely,
Kenneth S. Kennedy

Caro Tuko,

Se voi ed altri colleghi membri/moderatori si oppongono a forte ad allevare l'uomo fatto l'acquario allora per pescare forse dovreste archivare una petizione ai proprietari di questa tribuna per rimuovere la tribuna del Goldfish, la tribuna di Poecili, la tribuna del Discus e la tribuna di Betta. O modifichile per accettare soltanto le forme selvagge. La maggior parte dei pesci in queste tribune sono uomo fatto. Inoltre archivii una petizione per vietare le immagini di invio e le discussioni su c'è ne pesci selettivamente allevati in tutte le tribune.

Continuerò ad allevare il mio angelfish artificiale perché questa è la vita che conosco. Rispetti prego questo ed astenga da ulteriore invio dal vostro parere in questo filetto.

Se incontrate una prostituta, gli dite di smettere di venderti perché è molto errato nel vostro parere? Sono un piccolo impressionabile.

Suggerisco che inviate il vostro proprio filetto circa l'allevamento soltanto delle forme naturali o miglioriate forse messo in su la vostra propria tribuna www.wildformaquariumfishonly.com.

Sono molto fiero del mio Angelfish di Pinoy. Ho chiamato questa varietà dopo che la gente Filippina per portare l'onore al mio paese. Appena come il segugio grigio italiano ed i cani bolognesi porti l'orgoglio in Italia.

Francamente,
Kenneth S. Kennedy

[TuKo]

Originariamente inviata da pinoy angelfish

Dear Tuko, If you and other fellow members / moderators are strongly opposed to breeding man made aquarium fish then perhaps you should file a petition to the owners of this forum to remove the Goldfish forum, Poecili forum, Discus forum and Betta forum. Or modify them to only accept wild forms. Most of the fish in these forums are man made. Also file a petition to ban posting pictures and discussions of any selectively bred fish in all forums.

Some fish that you have nominated on this forum are discussed and condemned.
For example http://acquariofilia.biz/viewtopic.php?t=244085 the same thing is for ramirezi baloon or gold

Originariamente inviata da pinoy angelfish

I will continue to breed my artificial angelfish because this is the livelihood I know. Please respect this and refrain from further posting your opinion in this thread.

You are free to do what you want every person has his life. This does not exclude that it is the best or who can not be criticized.
I will refrain from comments because you chose to get publicity on a public forum (which you've already used to the idea to protect yourself from theft), and accepts criticism and praise, if not you are well open a private forum and access controls .

Originariamente inviata da pinoy angelfish

If you meet a prostitute, do you tell her to stop selling herself because it is very wrong in your opinion? I am a little emotional.

if it is beautiful, I ask how much money wants

Originariamente inviata da pinoy angelfish

I am very proud of my Pinoy Angelfish. I named this variety after the Filipino people to bring honor to my country. Just like the Italian Grey Hound, and Bolognese dogs bring pride to Italy.

we are on a forum of fish, not dogs

[TuKo]

Anyway do not worry in Italy we know very well that in all these species of fish arriving from Southeast Asia. unfortunately for us, there is a different culture than what you call respect for nature. although, to be fair, in Italy unfortunately some exceptions exist.

Precisely to avoid being misunderstood, which is not a racist speech, but simply an observation.

[pinoy angelfish]

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Some fish that you have nominated on this forum are discussed and condemned. For example http://acquariofilia.biz/viewtopic.php?t=244085 the same thing is for ramirezi baloon or gold

Why only some? It is evident that there is selective criticism here. What is the difference between my wide fin angelfish and a half moon Betta or a Delta Tail Guppy? If you condemn my angelfish then you should condemn all Bettas and Guppies and all Goldfish.

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This does not exclude that it is the best or who can not be criticized. I will refrain from comments because you chose to get publicity on a public forum (which you've already used to the idea to protect yourself from theft), and accepts criticism and praise, if not you are well open a private forum and access controls .

If you don't criticize all Bettas with wide fins and all Guppies with wide fins then there is unjust criticism on my angelfish. I can accept criticism if it is fair and just. You practice selective criticism. My wide fin angelfish can swim much much better than a Betta or a Goldfish.

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if it is beautiful, I ask how much money wants

Good for the prostitute. She gets money I get selective criticism.

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we are on a forum of fish, not dogs

I see you did not understand my point. selective again. Ok.

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Anyway do not worry in Italy we know very well that in all these species of fish arriving from Southeast Asia

Why do you blame Southeast Asia? The Veil tail angelfish was developed in Germany. Goldfish was developed in China, which is in North Asia. The Half Moon Betta was developed in France by Mr. Guy Delaval. The first veil tailed guppy was developed also in Germany.

What is the difference between the wide fin angelfish and the Half Moon Betta? I take back my statement. You can condemn my angelfish all you want as long as you also condemn all the the goldfish, Bettas and guppies that are posted and will be posted here in this forum. All, to be fair and just.

I would have accepted the criticisms without any problem from the start if they were given politely, with respect, under equal treatment.

If you noticed, i already started to discuss about inbreeding, about meristics of wild angelfish....I want to share...and I will continue to share.

[Metalstorm]

secondo me, le critiche sono un po esagerate....in fin dei conti, non ha selezionato pesci dalle forme strane e totalmente lontane dalla forma originaria...non stiamo parlando di mostruosità come i flowerhorn o i parrot, ma solo di scalari con livrea diversa e le pinne un po più larghe, c'è una bella differenza
Nessuno viene criticato se possiede uno scalare koi o argentato, cos' hanno i suoi di tanto diverso?

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What is the difference between the wide fin angelfish and the Half Moon Betta?

la penso uguale....solo perchè guppy, betta, discus e pesci rossi sono selezionati da decenni (o secoli) vanno bene e gli scalari no?
Secondo me, sono molto più aberranti ranchu, ryukin, occhi a bolla, celestiale, pearlscale e tante varietà di pesce rosso che nuotano male, faticano ad alimentarsi, hanno protuberanze assurde (che sono delle vere e proprie MALFORMAZIONI) e non hanno nulla a che vedere con un carassion neanche lontanamente....sono pesci MALFORMATI a tutti gli effetti, mentre gli scalari di pinoy sono pesci che possono condurre una vita alla pari con un wild

anche sui wild la diatriba è ampia: c'è chi farebbe di tutto per averli, c'è chi (come il sottoscritto) non li prederebbe perchè moralmente contrario ai pesci di cattura

in soldoni, finchè non si creano abomini totalmente fuori natura e ci si limita a selezionare il colore e cose simili, la selezione non è nulla di male....anche se personalmente preferisco i pesci con la colorazione e forma originale

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What is the difference between my wide fin angelfish and a half moon Betta or a Delta Tail Guppy?

What is the difference? ... There's no difference, I DO NOT like them all and we all (the serious ones I mean) aquarium keepers should get rid of all of them, and the sooner the better!